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Poster: tigerbolt Date: Nov 22, 2005 9:17am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive

...Anyway thanks archive for your support and kindness,still a lot of great music in here.Now it's time to go back to old way of trading grateful dead blanks and postage anyone?nothing left to do but smile smile smile...

[Very unproductive comments snipped. Ugly rumors and death threats(?!) will definitely be moderated.- mod]

This post was modified by Diana Hamilton on 2005-11-22 17:17:24

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Poster: Jon P.-Madison, WI Date: Nov 22, 2005 9:17am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive

Dear Grateful Dead Recording demons,
Today I attempted to begin recording to disk my first Dead shows. This was to be my first experience using my CD burner. I was shocked to learn that I will not be able to record shows recorded from soundboards.
I had a traumatic brain injury on May 5, 1999. My family purchased a computer for me while I was in rehabilitation. I have slowly been learning to use the features of my new computer. My tapes are old, from my years of seeing shows in the late 80's into the 90's. I have kept them safe and sound, but had to go through a lot of work to get them back after my belongings were put in storage. I treasure them. Now, these recordings, copied dozens of times, will be my only way to enjoy Dead shows. They suck in quality.
A friend recently shared your site with me. I finally have the time and ability to record some of your extensive collection, I learn that I cannot access these fine recordings. I am sad. Very sad.
I recently saw Bob Weir and Ratdog in Milwaukee. The show was one of the best I've seen. I have tickets to see Phil on Sunday again in Milwaukee. His actions give me reason to sell my tickets to scalpers. They will sell them to the fake Deadheads who have capitalized on sites like yours.
I am on Social Security Disability. My current income does not allow me to buy the few shows commercially available on disc. Your (now unavailable) soundboard quality recordings of the Grateful Dead were to be with me for life. I would have listened to them for my own enjoyment.
Why should I even try to visit your site anymore? This news has made me angry about the Dead for the first time. What would Jerry think?
This is yet another sentence against me. I already have missed 5 1/2 years of my life. Now, the chance to have these treasured quality recordings has been taken away from me. And, it was taken away by one of the Dead members I most liked. This day sucks!
Jon P.

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Poster: Hardley Date: Aug 23, 2007 12:10pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive

Dude,

There are a number of alternatives...

You could try http://www.deadshow.com/. Their shows are Real Audio posts. You'll need to capture the stream from your sound card - it's a bit of a hassle, but the quality isn't bad.

The best source GD concerts would be New Groups. Again, a bit of a hassle, even more than capturing the feed from your sound card and you'll need a high speed connection if you don't want to grow old waiting for the download.

Concerts are posted in *.shn file format. Essentially, each concerts is broken into smaller pieces which have to be joined together (search for SHN on the net and you'll find the software that does this for you or try http://www.shns.net/ for an overview). Once joined, the complete concert is saved as a wav file. A fairly steep learning curve, but worth the effort. The quality of the shows are usually very good - many of the posts are from soundboard recordings.

One issue with using news groups is that the shows are posted for short periods of time - I guess its a storage issue. Another issue is that before (or during?) the individual files are joined there is some checksum stuff that goes on. If there is a problem, you sometime need to re-download one or more of the individual files. So, if you go the new group route you need to see if you can convert the shn file to a wav file quickly, because once that particular show is remove for the new group you're back to begging that those portions be reposted.

Hope this helps...

Now I don't know, but I been told it's hard to run with the weight of gold,
Other hand I have heard it said, it's just as hard with the weight of lead.

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Poster: East Coast Date: Nov 30, 2005 4:09am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive

Too bad dude

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Poster: blueendo Date: Dec 7, 2005 2:40pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive

To JON P of Madison, WI (who posted on 11/22):

Are you for real? The reason I ask is not to be a dick but to offer to share some of mine with you.

If it is true that you sustained such an unfortunate injury and were right on the verge of making some CDs for your personal listening pleasure when the supply was cut off, I'd be happy to send you a few of the more popular shows. How about the early May 1977 trio of Boston (5-7-77), Ithaca, NY (5-8-77), and Buffalo (5-9-77)? I'd be happy to make a Christmas present of them to you if you will send me your name and address to my email - lavelle3*at*cox.net

If your story is a fiction, please don't bother contacting me. I fear for your karma. It isn't worth it to mess with the cosmic gears.

MY STORY:
In my unfocused way, I stumbled onto the Internet Archive a couple of months ago, after downloading most of my Dead shows from gdlive.com.

My Spidey-sense started tingling immediately and soon I was FTPing the bejeezuz out of audio.org. I checked with DeadBase to see which shows were the highest rated by the tie-dyed cognoscenti, and I set about downloading as many of the top 30 or 40 shows as I could.

I'm not surprised the folks in the Dead camp shut off the pipe. I'm sorry so many people feel they were entitled to total and free access to other peoples' work.

That is a large part of what is wrong with our country today. We saw it in New Orleans after Katrina, when people who ignored warnings to get to safety stood around in the stink and complained about not getting handouts fast enough.

We're seeing another version of it here, now. Men and women who, with great bliss and fellowship, once shared the holy magic of Grateful Dead shows have reduced themselves to scuffing toes in the dust and beating on their pots, acting for all the world like welfare queens, or, worse, looters.

The music was never meant to be free if it was to be enjoyed in the manner in which it was created. You had to prepare yourself to receive that blessed sound.

Here's a dumb, but I think appropriate analogy: Take a bagful of Arizona sweets, the most delicious oranges to ever meet a juicer and squeeze them up into a bright pitcher. Then go brush your teeth. When you're done, take a big hit off a glass of OJ. It tastes awful, NOTHING like it should, because you aren't receiving it in the way it was intended.

If you really believe that somebody owes you free Dead music for life, it's my feeling that you probably don't come close to enjoying the sentiment and sense of the music as much as you do hoarding your stack of shiny CDs.

THEY made the music. It was extraordinarily kind (and typical) of those incorrigible rascals to make it available to us for so long, asking nothing in return.

The magic, while it isn't dead, just isn't being created anew in the ways it was once. There are new priorities and it's time to move past this.

My first Dead show - in 1968 at the Fillmore in SF - was like nothing I'd ever experienced. (And I'd seen the Beatles at Shea Stadium and Bob Dylan's first electric show.)

The Dead were like casual sex - the worst I ever had was still great!!

I'd like to remember them in that way.

blueendo - Phoenix

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Poster: texsurfer30 Date: Dec 8, 2005 8:03am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive

howdy folks I'm relatively new to the whole show trading concept and I'm not quite sure how it works, but to say that I am a fan of jerry and the boys would be a gross understatement. How can I contact someone regarding the trading of GD shows.

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Poster: Diana Hamilton Date: Dec 8, 2005 8:22am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: trading pointer

Poke around at http://db.etree.org for instance, find a likely trader and ask them. Good luck!

Related FAQ: http://www.archive.org/about/faqs.php#226

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Poster: darkstargirl Date: Dec 17, 2005 2:01pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive

to blueendo:

allow me to quote you if you please...

"That is a large part of what is wrong with our country today. We saw it in New Orleans after Katrina, when people who ignored warnings to get to safety stood around in the stink and complained about not getting handouts fast enough."

first of all, if you had no car, no money for a bus, all your families and friends were in the same financial situation, and the weathiest country in the world (your home) abandoned you in a natural disaster, you would have been standing "around in the stink" and complaining too. that is if you were lucky enough to have not drowned trapped inside your attic.

and then (to my continued amazement) you go on to say:

"We're seeing another version of it here, now. Men and women who, with great bliss and fellowship, once shared the holy magic of Grateful Dead shows have reduced themselves to scuffing toes in the dust and beating on their pots, acting for all the world like welfare queens, or, worse, looters."

i fail to see how we're "seeing another version" of hurricane katrina. for as long as the dead have existed, they have done so with a mentality that includes things like "music should be free," "the audience is just has much to do with the music as we do," and "once we've played it, it's yours." oh i get it... you mean that the heartless fools that currently run this country have gone against
all its principles in much the same way as whomever decided dead music must be bought?

you said it yourself, "men and women who, with great bliss and fellowship, once SHARED the holy magic of Grateful Dead shows." the operative word being SHARED.

do you hear yourself??? to recap your position:
1.) dead music should be bought
2.) all people too poor to evacuate a natural disaster deserve to stand around in the stink waiting to die.

gee, some hippie you are. i'm disgusted that you think of yourself as such. maybe you need to reassess your thinking a bit, eh?

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Poster: Diana Hamilton Date: Dec 17, 2005 9:49pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: movin' on

You are responding to a discussion going on a month old. The most constructive thing you can do here now is *not* to go on discussing this here. Thanks.

Here are a couple posts for context in case you missed them before:
http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=50879
http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=50565

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Poster: ststvnfa Date: Jul 17, 2007 11:25am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive

we are nowhere need the wealthiest country in the world, sorry, we do have the biggest debt however

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Poster: darkstargirl Date: Jul 19, 2007 12:21pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive

Seriously??? It has been about 6 months since I posted the posting you responded to. Do you seriously think your input is at all necessary at this point?

But if you insist:

You are correct that we are not THE wealthiest in the world. At the time I wrote that, I must have been so overwhelmed with anger that I rambled incorrectly. We are, however nowhere near the poorest. We think we are strong/big/powerful enough to police the rest of the world, and yet we can't seem to take care of our own (i.e. Katrina, Iraq, Health Care, etc., etc., etc.)

Besides, the point of this thread was that the sharing (or lack thereof) of Grateful Dead music is absolutely no comparison to Hurricane Katrina and its victims.

Did you really think it necessary to open this can of worms... AGAIN? I hope you reconsider before dragging out old arguments next time.

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Poster: Telephone Toughguy Date: Jul 19, 2007 3:38pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive

GDP: $13.13 trillion ... that 's hard to beat. Per capita with various adjustments puts us behind norway and quatar and a few others depending on how you rank. Factor in the ridiculesly high taxes and cost of living back in and I don't think there is any doubt, is there? Oh and also... WHO CARES!? We have the coolest bands, movies, dead forums, archives, jihadists, etc.

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Poster: darkstargirl Date: Jul 20, 2007 5:39pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive

Okay, you win... you obviously have more free time than I do. I have no time, not to mention patience for you at this point considering as I've previously stated:

1. This was not the POINT of the argument to begin with!
2. This thread is 6 MONTHS OLD!!!
3. You are clearly convinced that America has become a third world nation, and considering our current administration, you aren't too far off the mark.

Feel free to ramble on about that which is irrelevant and outdated all you want. I am done wasting my time and this website's bandwidth with all this nonsense. So, have at it! Knock yourself out! Just don't expect me or anyone else to waste another moment of our time dealing with it, or you.

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Poster: jodz Date: Jul 20, 2007 7:17pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive

the dead are whats up and you seem down so goodbye dont go away mad just go away

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Poster: Diana Hamilton Date: Dec 7, 2005 8:27pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: movin' on

Folks, it's time to be moving forward here, not looking back to respond to emotions of over two weeks ago now. Accept that you will have to declaim on this subject now at a better place such as deadnetcentral.com or your personal blog.

http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=50565

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Poster: josewavo Date: Dec 7, 2005 6:04pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive

I'm afraid my friend, you have a very narrow viewpoint. The reason any concert is not allowed to be recorded is to prevent financial gains becoming realized by someone other then members of the band...any band. As long as we traded shows, copies of which were freely given in the form of boards BY the band, by the old conventional means, the volumn of music traded would never reach a point where the "official release" would ever be threatened. Now that the digital age has made it a 'volumn relative' threat, the Dead has renigged on a time honored system. We the public did not compromise the 'agreement' by selling copies of the shows. If that had been the case, the GDM would have been justified. This is simple a matter of a financial concern outweighing an artistic one.
One other note...most of the Katrina victums did not choose to stay, they had no other option. To overlook this small point is to reveal something about your own character I don't care to discuss, but it certainly is not reflective of the spiritually compassionate attitude for ALL peoples that was first prevelant in the early counter-culture.

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Poster: zoot from r7 Date: Dec 29, 2005 7:18am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive

i don't know about anybody elsem but i would love to have 5/09/77 awonderful month i have 5/7 ,8, 17,21 but would love 5/09 buffalo and or 5/05 new haven let me know if we can arrange a trade

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Poster: Diana Hamilton Date: Dec 29, 2005 7:59am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: trade pointer

http://www.archive.org/about/faqs.php#226

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Dec 29, 2005 8:46am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive

got those sdbs - direwolf at flashmail dot com

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Poster: dillowrangler Date: Dec 7, 2005 3:59pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive

Supposing your right... Since you "set about downloading as many of the top 30 or 40 shows as I could," and "the music was never meant to be free," it might do your karma good to cut Bob a check for the same 500 or so bucks (@ $15 a pop) he'll be seeking for the unlucky soul who stumbled across the archive a couple months later than you did. Up until now, it seemed that we paid for the privilege of sharing in and feeding the groove at a show, but simply listening to it later was a gift given to us by the band we loved.....

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Poster: squints777 Date: Dec 7, 2005 3:36pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive

dude the grateful dead should not be analagized with hurricane katrina.The music should be freely traded amongst the fans. Period, You're like one of those stingy tapers I had to deal with for so many years. You've got your tapes, but only certain people are deserving of sharing them with you. That's what made the archive so great. You could download whatever show you wanted, but you didn't have to deal with any red tape. Well I guess you got what you wanted. Hey maybe if I become cripple you can send me some tapes

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Poster: DeadSetMonkey Date: Nov 22, 2005 9:32pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive

I agree... it is back to the good old days of trading for blanks and postage... except now maybe we'll be shipping around hardrives? I had started slowly downloading the archive to external HD, slowly, in anticipation of this happening... I only got 1967-4/1970... wish I had gone faster.... Anyone else out there get a significant junk of the archive downloaded? You send me your 200GB HD, I'll send you mine...

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Poster: jlizard96 Date: Nov 25, 2005 7:28am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive

I have 1994 and 1995 in its entirety from live music. org. I'd be interested in "swapping hard drives" for 0ther years.

my email: jlizard96@verizon.net

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Poster: Bugz Date: Nov 22, 2005 10:55pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive

Dead Set Monkey and others - I'm certain that a lot of us have safe copies of the music - maybe a file sharing group @ yahoo or similar to facilitate spreading the music?

To the Archive: Thanks, and all your efforts are / were appreciated - this means all who were involved - a round of applause to you, and a standing ovation.

I have more shows than I can listen to in a month of Blue Moons and listen I do; I have learned about many other bands and will attend their shows when they roll into town solely because I heard them here.

I have never, except an LP back in the early 1970's, purchased a bootleg GD recording and never will. I have kept my part of the bargain and will continue to do so.

I will still purchase GD recordings, but I will not, if the rumors turn out to be true that a wife of a deceased member is responsible for this sea change, purchase any recordings from that source. I hope this is not the case and I apologize to any GD family member if this rumor is just lashing out by some parties that feel hurt by this action.

If this is a Band decision so be it; All I can request is that the music be made available by download "officially" at a reasonable cost.

I am surprised at the timing, the day before Thanksgiving, but it could have been a year ago so...

Has anyone looked at the GD site to see if there is a message? I will go there now to check and post if appropriate.

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Poster: Down the road feeling bad Date: Nov 22, 2005 11:19pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive

If such a website comes into existence, I'd sure appreciate a membership card!

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Poster: costab06 Date: Nov 29, 2005 8:31am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive

I was happy to occasionally download a concert I liked, and to buy Dick's Picks for stuff that was really special. I figured this was a balance. Community and commerce. It felt good.

That feeling is now gone. I only saved a few concerts. I'll send the hard disks if anyone is willing to fill 'em up. I don't have much to offer, but I'll pay for the effort. So much for avoiding the commercial resale of this material. The fastest way to create a black market is to make something scarce...





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Poster: DisguisedAsASquirrel Date: Nov 29, 2005 8:46am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive

Costab...Email me and we'll trade. disguisedasasquirrel@gmail.com
Have some top notch shows. Trade lists?

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Poster: qtpiesd24 Date: Jun 6, 2007 10:33pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive

Hi, my name is Michelle...I don't know exactly whom I should talk to or contack concerning some original professionally taken photograph's of mainly Jerry Garcia, along with the GreatfulDead live in concert. The concert photo's range in sizes and on the back there is hand written the year of which they were taken and the location of the concert. I have browsed a few web sites that sell reprints of similar type pictures though these are the only ones of their kind. I was interested in selling them though I don't know where to beging to go. I know that they are worth money, hell if I had the means myself I could make poster's and reprints at various sizes and make a killing. Though I donot have the time, that is why I would like to sell them out right for one whole sum; of course being of a decent amount. Can you help me to head in the right direction of where or what I should do or go? I would be forever greatful to you.
Sincerely,
Michelle

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Poster: cush212 Date: Jun 6, 2007 10:57pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive

Try ebay or something like that...

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Poster: David Bolewski Date: Dec 18, 2005 6:57am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive

I'm not articulate enough to express in words how Grateful I am for the very human element of free sharing behind the Live music archive. All the people involved in making it happen. It really all happened by accident as Bob Weir walked passed a music store where Jerry was playing banjo and caught his ear.This was the result. Live music archive is part of Rock n Roll history indeed and should be inducted into the Rock n Roll hall of fame for there efforts and quality. Thanks for a real good time. Peace.

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Poster: DisguisedAsASquirrel Date: Dec 18, 2005 9:22am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive

RIGHT ON DAVE! Where are those petitioneers when you need them? This is a great way for an intern to spend their day. Is there an intern out there that wants to get an Archive.org petition up and running to get them into the R&R Hall of Fame? Awesome idea.

Cleveland, here comes the LAMA!